Freestyle, Greco, and Dangerous Positions

Along with an analysis of the 2014 NCAA final between Alex Dieringer and Dylan Ness, Gable and Coach Weber discuss philosophies of wrestling in reference to basic skills and high flying moves. Included in the dialogue are their opinions on the place of freestyle and greco in the context of learning the basics, and mastering dangerous positions.


Daryl Weber: In the off season when you’re wrestling freestyle and Greco, you’re going to be competing against the best kids because they’re out there doing it. If you go to tournaments you’re going to see, you’re going to be going up against the best kids because they’re the ones training year round and getting on this circuit. They’re the ones that have coaches telling them what you’re telling them.

Also, kind of like what you were saying, they see these different positions. I think if you go back to the scrambling and why some of the scrambling, like a nest-type where he basically forces action, forces flurries by throwing himself to his back and trying laterals and elevators and cement mixers and whatnot. I think if you’re used to wrestling freestlye and Greco Roman, you’re going to feel that stuff coming a lot easier, you’re going to understand the positions.

Dan Gable: Wrestling is, there’s an infinite number of holes. You’re not going to learn them all so the more positions you can get in the better. Now, you were talking about nests, right?

Daryl Weber:  Yes.

Dan Gable:  It gets a little carried away and that’s why he wasn’t in that final match. His basic skills aren’t good enough to put him in that match and it was a tremendous job of the guy that was wrestling [inaudible 00:01:26] because the guy never shot one time to his legs. He just knew that he could do whip-bys and whip-overs and wouldn’t have to put him in any kind of position because every time you shoot in on a leg with a guy that does elevators and things like that, you’re actually helping him set up.

Even though you can’t, if you’re at the ankle and knee have a better shot at it, at just nailing him down the ground and he’s sitting on his butt reaching, but he thought he was sitting on his butt reaching at all. If you’re whipping by and just getting a go-behind or just getting a whip-over.

I thought it was just a perfect match that [inaudible 00:02:00]. It kind of made nests not look so good and maybe he should think about learning some more basic skills instead of just adding on, even though he did a good job, but it wasn’t a great job because great jobs win national titles.

Daryl Weber: Right, that’s what I’m saying. If you got good basic skills, but you can feel those danger moves coming, it just makes you that much better of a wrestler. I think freestyle and Greco will give you that feel, more than just all folk style.

Dan Gable:  Absolutely, and you’re always worried about being in danger in freestyle or Greco. That means exposing your shoulders. That’s 90 degrees. Our is 45 and getting held, you can’t even expose your shoulders, 90, you don’t even have to get held you’re losing points. Now we’re up to four point moves now, just any kind of double link you kind of feed to the back with four points. You really have to be aware of where your shoulders are and that’s good because that’s how you lose, getting on your back. That’s the pit and that’s usually back points and all those things. It makes you more aware of staying in good position, freestyle and Greco Roman does.


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